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economies because so many manufacturing and technology jobs are moving, whether it is a matter of costs for going where the trained work force is. we're fortunate to have to governors here to talk about how that change affects their jobs and what they're doing to jump- start their economies which compete with one another. this could be fun. let me start with our guest. governor hickenlooper. i knew that was going to happen. most of us here are pretty much aware of california's budget crisis. can you give us a quick briefing on where colorado is and what you are trying to do to turn things around? >> our budget is just as dressed as almost every state in the country. we have been working trying to control costs, get our pension funds in line, our state employees have not had a raise in four years. it has been difficult all the way around. the real challenge has been to try and turn public sentiment and get people to recognize it without a strong economy. it will not solve any of these problems. we have been relentless in what we did, the bottom up process and we asked them what they want

on the economy. the washington post writes that the white house is ratcheting up pressure to avoid the fiscal cliff. on c-span tonight, we will bring you some of the house and senate debate from august of 2011, when congress passed the budget control act that triggered cuts to take effect on january 1. we will also hear from president obama, who signed the deficit reduction measure into law, part of the deal to raise the debt ceiling. first, senate majority leader harry reid and republican majority leader mitch mcconnell will talk on the senate floor about the january fiscal deadline. >> since our country voted to return president obama to the white house, i have spoken often about compromise. i remain optimistic that, when it comes to our economy, when it comes to protecting middle-class families from a whopping tax hike, republicans and democrats will be able to find common ground. president dwight eisenhower, a republican, once said, "people talk about the middle of the road as though it were unacceptable. there have to be compromises. the middle of the road is all usable space." so said w

've spent a good deal of your career working on, mr. hall, has been the improvement of the american economy. and tonight i'd like to join a couple of my colleagues on the democratic side to talk about the economy and specifically to talk about jobs and the things that we can do here in the a winning days of this congress -- wanning days of this congress to create some job opportunities. we've got some very heavy lifting here in congress in the next month and a half. everybody wants to talk about the fiscal cliff, some talk about austerity, bomb, others talk about what needs to be done to lift the debt limit. and all of these issues are before us. tax increases are not. but underlying all of that, foundational to all of that, is putting america back to work. getting americans back into their jobs. if we do that we will clearly increase employment and when you increase employment you always increase tax revenue to the federal government, to state governments and local governments. so our principle task as i see it and i think i'm joined by many of my colleagues, both democratic and republican

of the jobs in this country not represented. these cuts represent a fraction of our economy. they have a major, major portion of the lobbying efforts and the pressure that is applied in washington. what is your reaction? >> these are good people, smart people, intelligent. but you really have to look at how rare motivated differently than small businesses would be. these large businesses can be the subject of government actions. it's easy to kid of select them, move them out. they can be subject attack. they also are sometimes subsidized. i have to worry about subsidies, and that may have government contracts. small businesses aren't concerned with those things. small-business can make a much better case to the president as to what needs to be done in this economy to create jobs. what would it take for small businesses, businessman women to create jobs and grow the economy? he just is to ask. i think he would get a very consistent answer. he does need to keep talking to the same high-leve executives that he has been talking to. tony's to get down into levels and talk to small businessmen wome

. >> obama: by 2025, the average fuel economy of their vehicles will nearly double to almost 55 miles per gallon. it will save a typical family more than $8,000 in fuel costs over time. >> jennifer: now of course, if you get an electric vehicle like i have, it is over 250 miles per gallon if you go to the gas at all. anyway, if president obama likes it then the right wing, of course, must hate it! and they do. with a passion and vitriol that is usually reserved for the war on christmas and misplaced birth certificates. >> even with the $7500 federal rebate or whatever you get for it, it is still beyond pricy for a fred flintstone car. >> trying to push this crazy green agenda. we're twice the size. >> i can't tell you how annoying. get out of car. go in the trunk. get this long cord. hook it into the side. plug it into the wall. >> first world problem. >> it was raining. i'm worried i'm going to get electrocuted. >> the electric car is about taking away choices from the american people about -- the electric car i

to strengthen their muscle is when the economy is good not when it is uncertain and tough. >> so there could be a backlash from unions pushing businesses to the max because if trying to support jobs and get better benefits they may in fact be taking workers out jobs. >> any are. look what business is doing, moving with their not. if you look where business is moving in the united states --. >> one example is hostess 18,000 jobs when the unions pushed them. they are gone. >>guest: hostest. airlines. boeing. up-and-down corporate america. that is why businesses are moving to right-to-work states. the states that are getting the most movement of their businesses it is so that those states that have right-to-work states. i am not saying they shouldn't have unions, but it is the wrong time to kick business when jobs are scarce and the economy is tough. >> but unions have been in powered, vicinity they, they won the presidential candidate. some leaders say they will push congress ma make unionizing eitherrer. is this the time to push back. >>guest: they are in favor right now, the ear of the admin

is to talk about the economy. but i would say something is. romney only emphasized -- very quickly. we cannot run only on an economic message. we have the full conservatives on social issues, on the national security, and on the economy. spent and aspirational. aspirational a mechanism where you are free to go as far as you want to go and to do what you want to do. and you are right about the hispanic community, especially they are very and trunk -- entrepreneurial. guess what. they start liking free government less. >> unfortunately, we're out of time to want to thank you all for coming today. please join me in thanking our panelists for this terrific presentation. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> tonight in primetime we get a closer look at the presidential election. we have from president obama's former campaign manager and republican strategist steve smith. that's and university of delaware and starts at 8 p.m. eastern. here on c-span2, author mark friedman talks about how more baby boomers are entering into a second careers. he's the author of the big shi shift. that's also at 8 p

's the one that's most beneficial for our economy. >> reporter: larry, what i would say is tax increases does not necessarily, despite the rhetoric on both sides, and especially from democrats, does not necessarily have to mean increases in tax rates. it is possible, if you look at the estate tax, if you look at the treatment of dividends, capital gains and carried interest and take a look at loopholes and deductions to raise a significant amount of revenue from people at the top without changing the marginal rate, layery. >> very interesting. we're going to have senator tom coburn on that very subject later in the show. many thanks to john harwood coming from washington, d.c. now, with everyone in washington talking tax hikes, whatever happened to spending cuts? that's really my question. spending cuts and limited government and private sector free enterprise and growth. here now is cnbc contributor and democratic vat gist keith boykin, a former clinton white house aide and best selling author and talk show host larry elder, out with a new took, "dear father, dear son." larry already the sho

by the federal open market committee to support the economy. in addition, i will discuss important economic challenges our country faces as we close out 2012 and move into 2013, in particular the challenge of putting federal government finances on a sustainable path and the longer run while avoiding actions that would endanger the economic recovery in the near term. the economy is continuing to recover from the financial crisis and recession, but the pace of the recovery has been slower than fomc participants and others had hoped or anticipated when i spoke here last, three years ago. indeed, since the recession trough in 2009, growth in real gdp has averaged only a little more than 2% per year. similarly, the job market has improved over the past three years, but at a slow pace. the unemployment rate, which peaked at 10% in the fall of 2009, has since come down 2%, to just below 8%. this is a welcome decline, but it has taken a long time to achieve the progress, and the unemployment level is still well above its level prior to the onset of the recession and the level that our colleagues an

to it happening. there's also a consensus right and left it would be bad for the economy. so i think that when we are just looking at the tax component, there are certain things that we kev knitly -- definitely need to do. patching the a.m.t. for the first year is big. if we don't get a deal on the rest of the tax cuts until early 2013, i don't think that would be the worst thing for the economy. i do believe that it is kind of a little more of a slope. i do think that there is -- i think that the worst part of the fiscal cliff are going to be avoided, and beyond that i think that both sides if they don't come together then we have a lot more revenue, and then we could do something like tax reform on top of that higher revenue, which would still bring in some revenue, yet at the same time satisfy a lot of republican demands for possibly lower rates. again, we can cross that bridge when we get to it. right now i think we won't -- if there is going to be a deal in this lame duck session, we are not going to know until the very end. host: thank you, gentlemen. appreciate your helping us out with thi

to destroy the economy. no one in their right mind is going to allow that kind of increase to devastate the economy. lou: that's a good point. it's interesting that no one is talking about the fact that individual tax payment, 26% of the bush tax cuts over the past two years, the answer here is this. i just want to see everybody be happy. let me turn to benghazi. there is a palpable sense in washington dc right now. i don't believe the congress has the strength or the tools to actually penetrate the veil of denial and secrecy and opaqueness that is this administration and what it has done. now, when you think this is? >> the attorney general has to do this. lou: can you really see eric holder doing that? saying that we will investigate ourselves? >> if he doesn't do an independent investigation, you have the very people who have floated the idea of prosecuting general petraeus, there are all kinds of things they might do to him. there is all kinds of pressure that can be brought about. lou: are you saying that you don't think, i was speaking earlier with. rinsing, you don't think it's a

and argues that it hurts the economy. this is about 40 minutes. >> and howard hughes for research at the manhattan institute. thank you for joining us. the question of whether and how governments, particularly the federal government direct tax dollars to industries was a discussion last night presidential debate and is becoming an ongoing theme in the campaign. the term on which the finance and industries have also been the focus of intense debate, but probably the most contentious example of all is the one on which diana furchtgott-roth of the manhattan to senior fellow and speaker this afternoon focuses and are tightly regulating to disaster, have green jobs policies are damaging america's economy. in fact, she subjects the assumptions and policies which led to such elevated as of now bankrupt seller paid no manufacture as well as the electric car battery manufacturer to a withering analysis, which we at the institute have come to expect from this oxford trained economist who served as chief of staff of the council of economic advisers -- sorry. during the administration of pres

.s. economy and millions of american families have been struggling with unemployment and underemployment, net sales for the walton family has grown more than $70 billion since the start of the great recession. now, a lot of those families in the bottom half struggling with underemployment are in fact walmart workers. a leaked internal document revealed that the base pay at the sam's club stores can be as low as $8 an hour. that's a mere $16,000 a year. with wage increases in drips and drabs as low as 20 or 40 cents per hour. one study found that walmart employees in california were nearly 40% more likely to use public assistance to make ends meet. costing the state's taxpayers $86 million annually. that means people with jobs in that state are still having to turn to the public safety net to get by. because working at walmart is not sustainable employment. if walmart became the standard across all retailers in california, taxpayers would have to subsidize their fellow workers with an additional $410 million a year. yet according to a study by the policy development and advocacy administration

of all, interest rates are low because we have had a weak economy. as far as the debt goes, listen to dean, i'm sure that he believes that the only real problem phafacing the country a the capitol gains. i think we do have a debt problem i think we have a big debt problem. the numbers in the 20s, 30s, look horrifying and we have a huge job and growth problem. i don't understand how taking dividends from 15-43 creates jobs that closes that. >> i don't see spending cuts. it won't matter. the economy collapsed and the housing bubble collapsed. make them pay zero taxes. the search goes inside out. none of it finds that it will create any of those jobs. the government has no choice. >> that is quite an experiment. that you are willing to run with 1 or 2%. from 15 to 25. we are going to taking it from 15 to 30. >> we have been there. >> you are taking the rate on capital which we have the world's highest rate on capital. and you are poi inggoing to mak higher? i would love to see spending reductions. the house and the senate rotes for $1.2 trillion spending cut. that spending cut would b

disagreed. you are not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. it will hurt small business. it will hurt our economy. that is why this is not the right approach. >> now the guy at the center of the tax storm, oklahoma republican congressman, congressman, he singled you out for calling you out. how do you feel about that? >> i like the speaker. we have a great relationship and we are able to talking directly and honestly with each other and i have no problem with it. i would expect him to express his opinion as he would expect me to express mine. >>neil: he is saying you are precaving. >>guest: that is nonsense. the reality is, tax rates go up for every american on december 31st. if we can make sure that doesn't happen for 98 percent of them and continue to fight for the other 2 percent, that makes a lot of sense and the american people will listen to us in that discussion if they know their taxes aren't going up. we will win the argument. i do believe most people understand raising tax rates is bad for the economy, it costs jobs, it actually in the long term

period of lower rates further into the future we are not saying we expect the economy to remain weak until 2015. rather, we expect, as we indicated in our statement, that a highly accommodative stance of monetary policy will remain appropriate for a considerable time after the economic recovery strengthens. in other words, we want to be sure that the recovery is established before we begin to normalize policy. we hope that such assurances will reduce uncertainty and increased confidence among households and businesses, thereby providing additional support for economic growth and job creation. the u.s. economy continues to be hampered by the lingering effects of the financial crisis on its productive potential and by a number of headwinds that hindered cyclical adjustment of the economy. the federal reserve is doing its part by providing accommodative monetary policy to promote a stronger economic recovery in the context of price stability. as i said before, while monetary policy can help to support economic recovery, it is by no means a panacea for our economic ills. uncertainties ab

on the horizon. that's where we begin this morning. how confident are you about the state of the u.s. economy? what steps are you taking to prepare for the potential impact if the u.s. goes off the fiscal cliff? give us a call this morning. you can also catch up with us on all your favorite social media sites, twitter or facebook. or e-mail us. thismorning to you on wednesday, november 21. we are talking about federal reserve chairman ben bernanke's comments yesterday about the fiscal cliff, and getting your thoughts on bthe u.s. economy. and this headline -- also, in the financial times -- to tell little bit more about ben bernanke's , and sister day we turn to david clarke of "politico," their financial services editor. thanks for joining us. guest: thanks for having me. host: what is making the most waves from his speech? guest: in the past he has warned that congress and the president's path to take care of the fiscal cliff. yesterday he said it is not simply doing it but how they do it, making a point that voters will be looking to see if they can do this in a cooperative manner, whether

, we had huge surpluses because of the strong economy over the 1990's and deficit-reduction plans put in place over the 1990's. the government had the choice to spend that on programs, or returned it to tax payers, and the bush administration decided to return the money to taxpayers. over the following year's tax rates were lower. it was renewed in 2010 in a tax deal between president obama and congressional republicans at a time when the economy was weak and the feeling was they could not take an increase in taxes. host: what was the desired effect and did it happen? he called the desired effect was to give people more of their income back, and that happened, as wealthy people got more income back, more moderate income earners got some back. one of the questions is how it effects economic growth, and it is an unresolved area of economic research. did it did help the economy -- did it help the economy? it is hard to say. we had a good economy in the 2000's before the crisis. now we have a huge crisis. on balance, it probably did not help that much. host: can you calculate if jobs were

at this time, in fact, the president even said a couple of years ago, it harms the economy. we are trying to help the economy. and, so, unless i can be convinced that raising tax rates will be beneficial, then obviously i think there's reason and ground for my position. but, i also believe that we can and must get an agreement, otherwise i think first of all, the markets are going to start reacting. >> chris: we'll talk about that in the next segment, and i think it is a real issue. finally, let's talk about the g.o.p. republicans, i don't have to tell you, had a really rough night on election night. and let's look at the break down of some of the numbers. you lost unmarried women by 36 points, hispanics, by 44 points. young people, by 23 points. does your party need to change, especially, with those groups, on social issues like same sex marriage and immigration reform? >> i think we have to have a bigger tent. no doubt about it. and, obviously we have to do immigration reform. there is no doubt whatsoever that the demographics are not on our side. and, we are going to have to give a muc

swath of the economy, i can't stress how important this trend might be. hey, let's take the rails. >> all aboard! >> they've been horrendous in large part because of decline in coal shipments to our power plants which are nat gas. china is building hundreds of coal burning plants. when electricity is used, you'll see stocks like csx and norfolk southern start to bottom. you know what? i think they bottom now. just how powerful is china? consider this. last week we had a truce between the israelis and gazans. it took people by surprise. how can it stay high given the sudden ephemeral peace? oil didn't fall. that's because of rapacious chinese demand. there's europe. deal talks were in the air friday. that means a day when the industrials that had so much riding on return to growth in europe could blossom. they were some of the best actors out there. good news for europe, still good news for the international u.s. banks. they went up, too. jp morgan, goldman sachs. retail. we got terrific news on friday. initial returns from the black thursday which used to be black friday, tremendo

. energy is the lifeblood of a thriving economy and society. our future in energy provides the opportunity to significantly assist us in exiting our economic difficulties with jobs and new opportunities in abundance. we need reliable, affordable, and environmentally responsible in terms of supply. i say it is an important day because i believe we find ourselves at a unique point in history at the confluence of urgency and opportunity to them that we should make no mistake about it. -- and opportunity. we should make no mistake about it. if you examine the national intelligence council's global trends 2025 report, you'll find the word "energy" is one of the most repeated factors driving global security over the next 10 to 15 years. this means that achieving well conceived long term objectives depends on visionary action. the defining feature is about being pro-active. not reactive. this demands a sense of urgency and collegiality among the global community them back for the u.s., the united states, it is another critical challenge for our leadership responsibilities the world over. the prop

say that the president proposed $1.6 trillion in new revenue? he wants to destroy the economy? come on. who in their right mind will allow that kind of increase to devastate the economy. it will not be hostess going out of business. >> lou: that is a good point and it is interesting, no one is talking about the fact that individual tax payments, taxpayer payments, internal revenue service, receipts from those taxpayers have risen 26% under the bush tax cuts, over the past two years which tells us that the answer here is growth. >> that's right. >> lou: i'm a simple fellow and i'd like to see everybody start talking to each other. let me turn to benghazi, because, the special prosecutor. there is a sense of hopelessness that is palpable in washington, d.c., right now. because, i don't believe the congress feels that it has the strength or the tools to actually penetrate the veil of denial and secrecy and opaqueness that is the administration, when it comes to what it has done. witness the last nine weeks. you are calling for a special prosecutor, and the fellow who has to do that work f

the economy. american express open is here to help. that's why we are proud to present "your business" on msnbc. >>> hi, there, everyone. i'm j.j. ramberg. welcome to a very special edition of "your business." it comes in between black friday and cybermonday. this year, small business saturday is november 24th. it is a day people are urged to shop local and is support their communities. we are coming from maplewood, new jersey. a storm-battered state where small businesses need customers more than ever. across the country in burbank, california, the shop local movement has taken off in a big way. in the magnolia park section of that city, local retailers have banded together to revitalize not only sales but also their neighborhood. >>> it is the last friday of the month in the magnolia park section of burbank, california. normally, the stores would be closing and streets would be quiet but the creative small business owners here have figured out a low cost way of bringing in customers with a huge return. they call it ladies night out where people are coming out in droves to celebrate

the importance of the other nine to five economy. the impact of all that you do has an impact on our job situation and local economy, and to highlight all of the great work that we can do together to ensure that the sectors that you all represent, the sectors that you work for, that you employ people for connaught is one of the greatest sectors in san francisco. i hope we will take the opportunity of the america's cup to showcase our clubs, our restaurants, our nightlife events. as someone who represents the broadaway neighborhood, an area of town that i used to spend a lot of time in when i was in my 20's -- but actually, very few locals take the time to head to the beach on broadway. our neighborhoods are coming together to say that broadway is open to the rest of the world as well as san francisco. i want to put san francisco back on the map when it comes to music. to make sure that we have the type of entertainment that we used to be renowned for. and those of you that work in our bars and clubs, i want to make sure that we are trading the kind of destinations that we look forward to

for both the present and the future, and as our economy continues to sign signs of improvement i'm not going to forget where the jobs go and for the people in terms of hope for the city and of course working with laborers, with our construction contractors, with the labor council. tim is here together as well and mike and working with everybody we have unprecedented announcement today and 100% locally financed project close to $500 million of private investment signifying that they wish to on their volition to be working with the city to hire 25% of their construction work force with san francisco residents. [applause] this is a wonderful, wonderful day. and that as part of that percent goal they are opening up themselves to working with us in an enforceable obligation on this label. rick is here representing for the golden state warriors and at the same time within this goal too we're going to accommodate returning veterans from our war and pllt to be part of this effort too -- [applause] >> yes. and for me it really means putting the word and the title warriors in the golde

that this is a global economy. the opportunities are ones that we can only surpassed if we come together. we can win the future if we dream together, if we work together. as a society, as an economy, the best is yet to comment. let me leave you with this last idea. every moment affords us an opportunity to change the world. let's seize that moment in each and every moment that succeeds that moment and let's do that together in celebration of our asian-pacific heritage and recognition of the great heritage as all the people that make up san francisco and california. we will truly honored this month, our heritage and our future. thank you very much. [applause] >> ok. all right. we have some competition on the stage right now. >> a couple of other people we need to thank. we have a bunch of co-hosts, the san francisco board of supervisors. a round of applause, please. [applause] our event shares and co-chairs. [reading names] >> all right, thank you. [applause] >> those people give money, so please applaud. >> next, i would like to introduce betty yee, the 2014 candidate for controller. john, maybe you

and then they looked at taxes, the economy, jobs, and they went to the president. >> what is an emerging trend in technology or how people consumer information that will have implications for 2014? the leading edge? >> that is a good question. the prevalence of people getting their information online has exploded. you look as swing voters and how little they are watching tv, we all had three places you got your news from. now they get their nightly news from 15 sources. jon stewart is an important moment from that. if you are a democratic-leaning woman, you love rachel maddow. getting to those people is harder. they are way more online than anyone. you have to go to where they are. campaigns will spend more and more of their money online than ever before. until it reaches parity with television. >> and you think television will still be big in 2016. >> it is going to be the dominant media but online is going to catch up very quickly. i think it already is catching up for young voters who are looking -- >> within a couple cycles? >> no question. i think the next election is going to have to dec

. it is is sapping the ability of the american economy to grow and it is topping -- zapping the ability of the average american to rise. until we look at the major core issues that are making the u.s. more attractive to business, we will go back to the fiscal cliff discussion over and over again. unless we can get our economy really moving and growing in the long run, these will just occur over and over again. we identified eight areas, as you mentioned, where we find there is broad consensus where we believe these things would really move the needle in a reasonable time frame, two, three, four years. there is some real bipartisan support. the first is the need of a sustainable budget compromise. that is widely accepted by all. two, easing on highly skilled immigration now. yes, when a broader immigration reform, but this is one of the abilities to really move rapidly to inject skills and to the economy and fill jobs badly need to be filled to sustain our growth. it is not a long-term solution and there, but it is a critical step we can take now that would really move the needle. we hav

the economy? who will allow that increase to devastate the economy? lou: a good point*. nobody talks about the fact that individual top -- checks payments federal receipts has risen over the last few years that the answer is broken i went to see how they talk to each other. there is a sense of helplessness that is palpable because i don't believe the congress feels it has the strength to penetrate the veil of denial , and secrecy that is this administration over the last nine weeks and he called for the special prosecutor. >> that's right. attorney general house to do it. >> eric holder says congressman you have a splendid idea. we will investigate ourselves. >> if he does not a point* a special prosecutor then what you have is the very people who floated the idea of general petraeus for adultery in the military. there is all kinds of pressure. lou: you don't thiik it is a coincidence coming down on david petraeus head against the issue it -- issues of the administration? >> exactly. i love your sarcasm. that is the problem. we have the purse strings with the department of injustice when i

will about the state of the economy but americans didn't hold back this holiday weekend. a record number of shoppers were out there, 247 million in all. the amount spent per shopper last year, total spending was up, online sales was up too. that doesn't include all the online spending about to happen tomorrow. we begin with kristen dahlgen at a mall in california. kristen. >> reporter: good evening, kate. those door buster deals may be gone but the shoppers aren't. you can see them up here wrapping up a retail at the national retail federation is calling as impressive as we've seen. from the moment doors opened thursday before the thanksgiving dishing were even done until they close tonight almost a quarter billion shoppers will have been online or in stores. >> put my sneakers on and go for it. >> reporter: shopping started earlier than ever. in spite of the employee protests, the early opening paid off. more than 35 million shopped on thanksgiving. six million more than last year. black friday was big too. 89 million brave the crowds in search of those hard to beat bargains up from 86

on the top 2% of households and it's not going to hurt the economy one bit. >> oh, that part i won't -- >> it's got to be part of the deal. >> that's part of the deal. >> before you answer that, art, i want to say, a second issue. let's put it right on table since jared opened up. many people believe since the president's budget want $1.6 trillion -- $1.6 trillion, of revenues, over ten years. >> over the next ten years, to be clear. >> next ten years. he will wish to raise the top tax rates. that includes income taxes, cap gains, dividends and estate taxes. and art laffer, he will also wish to curb deductions so he will raise tax revenues as well as tax rates and art, that sets the stage for a stalemate politically. what does it do economically also? >> well, it does set the stage politically. by not doing anything, all the tax rates go up on everyone. that's for sure. so, the question is, the republicans will pass a bill that extends all the tax cuts. i mean, that they will go along with no problem. they won't go along with a double wammy and they shouldn't. this is obama's economy. this is

the economy and if we do that on january 15th and it is a good deal, i would much prefer that over doing a bad deal on december 15th for face-saving on the january 1 fiscal cliff drop dead date. >> eliot: you're among the group that have been called the cliff jumpers. i don't know how you take that phrase but you've been willing to say let's go over the cliff. it will not be as dangerous and as cataclysmic as people are saying. >> i'm in good company. warren buffett. basically this artificial deadline is not a cliff. it is a slope. the bottom line is we've got to get a good deal. something that is sustainable and durable and not hit the panic button and then try to spin what is a bad deal as a good deal because that won't be sustainable after january 1st. >> eliot: that's not only correct on substance. unless we say that, the other side will stick us up and hold us to the deadline and get us to flinch at the end which unfortunately has been the history of the white house in the last couple of years. your wisdom there, i

to raise taxes on small businesses because it would damage the economy. now he thinks this economy is stronger than it was two years ago and we are in better shape to take the economic hit. it is an interesting question. if you go over the tax cliff and taxes are raised dramatically, the house would have our past -- will already have passed. on the sequester, i thought if republicans won the house and senate of the president say, since it -- sequestration would not happen. it denied give up any of the savings from the sequestered . but did so by impacted the pentagon less heavily than the sequestered it. but divided government, i think you get the question. president said he does not want to change the money for the pentagon. mitch mcconnell said we are not raising taxes to ransom the pentagon budget cuts. a lot of focus has been on the pentagon but these are more concerned about the $50 billion in domestic discretionary spending restraint every year. you did to the republican study committee. the announced all a thing worse than sequestration would not be having savings. this stam

comprehensive immigration reform. he sees it as a key part to stabilizing the economy, investing in the middle class, not having a subclass of 11 million people that hurt economic revitalization. for him i think it is a piece of the middle class agenda. >> are the other unions working with senator schuman who say they are starting to work on a piece of legislation? >> the majority leader and center schumer. we have some issues with this idea, but we applaud his enthusiasm. we are trying to get him on the steps of key elements that are important to us. >> where do you disagree? >> i think he thinks a national id card is required. we do nothing that needs to be part of the solution to fixing the broken immigration system. >> washington journal continues. host:jim martin n. he will be talking about the future of health care, especially the elements of the affordable care act that are put to place. guest: glad to be here. host: what does it mean in general for older americans now that the election is over? guest: i think things like obamacare, the affordable care act, seniors were opposed to it b

, and they're not interested in raising taxes, they think it is a bad idea for the economy. the only way to have a stimulus to the private sector is to leave more money in the private sector. the other thing that folks in kentucky don't understand is that why is it a fiscal cliff to cut spending? most people in our state think we're spending too much money up here and we should cut spending. in fact, the majority of congress voted for this sequester. why was it a good idea a year ago and now it is not a good idea. >> on spending and spending cuts, you may have something in common with the president, which i want to get to. you mentioned the people in your great state of kentucky and, look, we know and we're all hoping they're out and about shopping, it is holiday season, and in terms of the timing with this -- with this deal, you know, hopefully getting done before january 1, a lot of people want to avoid the tax increase that will automatically happen as people are paying those holiday bills, right? >> here's my question. if it is bad to raise taxes on everyone, why is it good to raise

.7%, the highest since july, 2007 and 60.8% in october, 2011. what does it mean for our economy? guest: sometimes there is a direct correlation between what we see in terms of how consumers feel about the economy and what they are willing to spend in terms of the holidays and in general. what we are seeing now especially when you look at the university of michigan reported that the optimism about progress in the job market is offsetting a lot of concern about the fiscal cliff and the possibility of tax increases and cuts to government spending. host: when you look at consumer confidence and sentiment, what factors are in play? guest: a lot of times it has to do with how they feel about their own personal fan -- finances and how they feel about the job market and the prospects of finding employment or losing employment. there is a lot of concern still about the high unemployment levels but the idea that the housing market is improving and the idea that there are a lot more employers that are willing to slowly higher at this point seems to be reassuring consumers that there is some hope for the eco

and employment are put farther out of reach because of a felony conviction, especially in a down economy, someone with a felony has great difficulty even accessing 5 a job that pays minimum wage. putting these felony convictions to a whole population of young people, we really perpetuate a chronic underclass which benefits none of us. and then of course there's the inequity in the criminal justice system. even though we can show that drug use rates are quite similar in all different ethnic communities and african-americans are 13 times greater likelihood of being convicted of a felony of simple possession. then of course there's also the savings that we could experience, nonpartisan, independent legislative analyst office has determined that there would be $159 million annually of savings at the county level, plus another $65 million annually in savings at the state level. and our bill would direct a portion of that savings to drug treatment programs so that we can, like these 13 other states, have better outcomes, safer communities. i of course have to thank the sponsors of our bill, and we have

. that's important in the economies of scale and fighting the inevitable battle with the opponent, the competitor. the other thing i didn't get to talk in the previous item that was alarming to us right now what staff is telling us is that their intention is to always have the commercial customers be an opt in. and in mirren they did not do it that way. they included commercial customers recently in their full opt out process. in san francisco most of the energy is used by commercial customers. we will not be able to achieve that big beautiful build-out that we're planning without those commercial customers being put into an opt out so enough of them stay in to get the bonding ability and the economies of scale to make sure that we can do the full build out and hire the thousands of people, et cetera. thanks. >> you said that marin opt in? >> no, marin, they did their initial thing a couple of years ago. they just completed their enrollment and enrolled all of their customers a few months ago, and that included commercial customers who were then able to opt out if they wanted to.

, that winning means generations of kids win. our economy wins. what i think are things that we do well. all of so many other aspects of our society win out when we use these opportunities and invite a lot more to come together and think creatively as we are the innovation capital of the world. we will continue to do that and continue to invite more partners to be our partners in this great event. go sf super bowl! [applause] >> mayor lee, it is an honor to be chairing this committee. we won't be able to do this without you so thank you for your support today. we have a lot of folks around us. and one silverstein. [ laughter] >> all about rich. i just want to say thank you to the team at goodby silverstein, the social media campaign. you have worked incredibly hard. rich, your team is amazing. come up here and tell everybody about the logo and the campaign. [applause] >> we have to win this. we are not in it to come in second. we've got to win it. i challenge anyone to have better looking goal posts than that. we have remarkable area. we have a great group of people. the logo really reflects

"gosh we're really going to suffer, and if we're going to be participating in our great economy in san francisco we have to find a way for better transportation routes to transfer people up north and down south of the city, and when we call ourselves a city as a transit first city there is no better example than that than what is reflected in the plans for the central subway. this project is a vital enhancement of our public transportation system. it's going to significantly improve the movement of tens of thousands of franciscans and if you were here this past weekend when people were predicting it would be jam san francisco instead of san francisco you knew that folks were educated because of the great leadership at our mta, our county transportation, all of our transit systems and were at the highest level of educating the visitors and others to use public transportation. it will work for all of us and as we build the housing units we identified in hunter's point and treasure island and welcome more people to our great city and we are growing as a result. we are going to have th

or economy. the largest beneficiary would be california. we want to see what the cutting edge is. most of a still look for california. -- loomost of us still look to california. what governor brown said about the traditional politics is all about taking the thing in making it fresh. to a certain extent, i tried to be a writer in college. i failed miserably. a professor said everything has been set but not everything has been said superbly. even if it had, everything must be said freshly again and again. you have to see a fresh lead to a certain extent. the real issue with -- in terms of asking the president, what are the things that matter most, a bass part of those profits would be invested in california. colorado would have a significant -- pretty much every state in the country would benefit. you look at the companies based in silicon valley. they have offices, you want to expand your business, think about those young people in colorado. everything -- stated say the same thing. that money would get spent over the country very rapidly. >> thank you. governor brown. >> it is a good id

and the economy. the industrial revolution -- let me stop and turn to the competition. thank you. [applause] >> i appreciate you doing this and i think it is very interesting that you have drawn these parallels between what is happening in the physical industrial revolution and the previous antecedence, semiconductor revolution, digital revolution as you talk about, one thing i remember from watching the growth of the web, reflected already in the questions coming right up, people are a little bit skeptical that what is happening in hobbyists's garages is relevant to the mass manufacturing and move the needle. i will share one question from the audience. i completely understand the applicability of 3d printing a think you have way overstated what is or will ever be possible with 3d printing. i understand your logic but those who have not read the printed will be disappointed. please comment. >> 3d printers are just one of a whole generation of tools, there are laser cutters and emt machines and embroidery, you buy sewing machine, basically the digital application tool as well. three printers that

and democrats are going fight hard to keep their agenda and restart our economy, and there will be more work to be done. i would like to hand over the podium to nicole rivera, who put this together. she will introduce the panelists and go over some logistics. i want to point out quickly that we are being recorded by san francisco government tv. the camera in front is only aimed at the podium. it is not taking shots of the audience, only the podium for people who want to ask questions. so do not worry, you are not on tv if you do not want to be. >> thank you for your patience. i am a representative with leader pelosi, and i'm thrilled to have you today to learn more of our best practices for accessing credit. it is a priority for our office. we are very well aware of how small businesses are running up against the wall right now in terms of trying to get the credit and loans they are looking for, so i will try hard to bring the brightest minds in this room so you can effectively fix their range and learn more about what you can do better to fix your business plan and what it is they are looki

the city economy is weak, that is what the trigger was put in for. there's clearly a reason as to why the city had to reduce this -- for the school district. but i think the emphasis behind where the supplemental came from as we ask the school district how are you going to fund these programs going into the future i hope we have a real conversation next year, as our city economy looks better and our city economy grows as to whether we're going to pull the trigger again on prop h. i think that in last year, when we pulled the prop h trigger to me it had made sense because we didn't have a good budgetary forecast of what revenues were coming in. as the month of june was closing it looked more and more optimistic. as we look at the budget picture now i think many of us asked why did we pull the trigger last year and that was the reason why i introduced what i thought was a modest fundamental in the school district. overall regardless of your position i'm excited that we're engaging in a robust discussion of what it means to partner and support with our school district going forward. >> p

cure the economy. the senior editor of "the atlantic" joins us live in the next half hour. he has an interesting perspective. >>> ambassador susan rice heads to capitol hill this morning to mend fences with three republican senators. john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly a at with her information comments made on several networks that played down the role of terrorists in the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya, that killed four americans including ambassador chris stevens. rice maintains she made it clear the intelligence information she had at the time was preliminary. senators have threatened to block her nomination if president obama chooses her to be his next secretary of state. >>> and the obama administration responds to the benghazi attack does not get high marks from americans. the results of a new poll out this morning shows a majority of those questioned, 54%, say they are dissatisfied with the administration's handling of the attack. >>> and the body of yasser arafat was exhumed this morning from a mausoleum in the west bank. a team of international scienti

think there's a very serious damage done to the economy and to the world economy and the approaches bush took running up to this and that obama is put on steroids. this is in the middle of many problems to continue to not be ended. and the was a very big problem. to be much more serious about spending and it was in that way before. >> how do you fix? >> the house republicans already passed the budget that would work and pass the extension of the tax cuts they would work and you go in and have these conversations in front of the american people without about how romney is mean to dogs and causes cancer and actually talking about issues. and i think that is a debate that we need to have. we haven't had it, certainly didn't have it in this last election and we can have it now. it's very helpful. i think at the end of the day we will make the right decision partially because the democrats are terrified of the damage that obama has to drive them over and they wouldn't actually do that as obama threatened to throw us off a cliff year ago in august and didn't. >> we weren't going to get the neg

economy by shopping at locally owned stores. the movement is in its third year. and it is growing. according to a new survey 67% of shopper who's know about small business saturday plan to take part in it. that's up 44% from last year. dave, i know this has made you very sad. hollywood is mourning the loss of larry hagman. >> j.r. >> wait a minute. it's your style j.r., my wife and the man who put cliff barnes in office. >> you have got plenty of trouble before y'all got married. i don't understand why you think she has changed. >> hey. stop. knock it off. >> classic. >> legend. >> hagman best known for his role of course as the villain j.r. ewing on his star with dallas. lost his battle with cancer dallas hospital. linda gray had this to say on the star's passing. larry hagman was my best friend for 35 years. he brought joy to everyone he knew. i will miss him enor muresly. >> she was at his side. >> he he was apparently surrounded by family and friends. >> hagman was the son of mary martin. he was also known for his role as major tony nelson in i dream of jeanne, of course, he w

strategy pay off for retailers? will concerns about the sluggish economy and the fiscal cliff keep consumers home? all questions we seek answers to. >> let's get some answers. cnbc contributor stacy liblet at queens center mall here in new york city. we also have liz dunn of mcquarry capital on the west coast in san francisco. great to have you all with us. laura, why don't i get to you first of all. what are you seeing out there on the floor of the malls? >> so traffic's slowing a little bit which is normal for the afternoon. i think that most of the traffic -- most of the big buys were for electronics and toys. those happened last night. they may be happening online more and more. but the mall's bit slow, we think, relative to a year ago. >> do you think people came in earlier with all of these earlier openings that we've been hearing about? do you feel maybe that's just drifted off a little bit as everyone's now done their shopping and gone loam to bed? >> i'm pretty sure that that is what has happened here. you don't normally see -- this is an urban mall in queens. i would not

serious consequences for the entire economy. a lot of details here and they are coming up inside fox report. well, just hours remain in what is expected to be the biggest online shopping day ever. the research firm core score predicts americans will spend $1.5 billion online today alone this cyber monday. that's up 20% from last year. the national retail federation reports the average holiday shopper spent $423 this weekend in stores and online. total spending an estimated $59 billion. cheryl casone live from the fox business network with us tonight. cheryl, that's a big shot in the army for the economy. isn't it? >> it certainly is, shepard. we are seeing an allot of interest in online shopping today. initial numbers into fox business about how many people are out there spending this, today cyber monday. this is going to be already the biggest cyber monday ever when it comes to sales or revenues for the nation's he biggest retailers. number one amazon.com. number two wal-mart. 122 million people shopping today on web sites with the estimate looks like at this point we are going to b

expert says is a clue that the economy is still has a ways to go on its recovery. >> early results for cyber monday from ibm's digital benchmark show 2012 online sells are up nearly 26% from last year. 21 percent of shoppers are using mobile device to visit stores web site. and the iphone continues to drive more retail sales than any other device. reaching 8.3% ticket the time%4:52. we are follofollowing a lot story police standoff on treasure island both on and off texas are close.all are closed. >> we will be right back. welcome back. the time is 4:55. the star of a hit comedy show is slamming his own tv show he tells of fans not to watch chris brown is taking in all the breaks and twitter. >> here is your hollywood minute. the youngest start of to and a half man is calling the show fails and telling viewers not to watch it. angus jones. the actor talks about how he found religion on a website and why his staff does not jive with the hit show i am jake from to and as metwo and a half men. the represent a for to and a half minutes not commenting on the video pictures >> the cente

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